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by , posted Dec 24, 2009 at 1:55PM
We’re wrapping up our Fashion/Portrait Shootout so be sure to check out the Nikon segment going up today, but, working on the final installment, our Medium Format Digital Back piece featuring the Hasselblad H3D 31 and 39, the files just demanded a mention here. We’re always seeing questions and opinions on MFDB cameras, asking if there’s a difference, whether they’re worth it, how powerful the full-frame DSLR cameras are, and to be honest, in a lot of cases the MFDB cameras just feel like overkill, even to us. They certainly are expensive, and they certainly have fewer features. In truth, it’s been a while since I’ve played with the files from one of the “big chip” cameras and it’s easy to forget how incredible this hardware performs. Here, for the record, are three files that were shot with the Nikon D3s, the Canon 5DMII, and the Hasselblad H3D 31. The Nikon is running a 12mp sensor at full-frame 35mm format, the Canon is also a full-frame sensor at 21mp. The Hasselblad is sporting a 31mp sensor with a physical size of over twice the format of the 35mm- 48 x 36mm. We’re going to go into all of the ramifications of these differences in our feature review, but for now, let’s just see some files. They certainly don’t tell the whole story, but they do, just as certainly, answer the simple question we see so often: “Is there a difference?”
Granted, the lighting is a bit different, but the first impression on processing all of these files in Adobe Camera RAW is that the Hasselblad is somehow simply richer. The skin tones are full of subtlety, and nuance. In the discussions about MFDB and bit-depth of sensors and A/D (Analog-Digital converters, a key part of file processing), this is where you can see exactly what all that tech talk is about. The skin looks like skin, not digitally-rendered skin. Now, let’s look at the files at 100%.
That, my friends, tells the whole story. My favorite part is the little tiny hair in the very corner of her tear-duct. You can’t see it in the Canon shot, but that’s not fair, the shot isn’t lit to show it. The Nikon shows the hair, but it’s merely the hint of the shape. The Hasselblad shows the hair- the shape and form of the individual hair. It’s not a “the hair goes here” image, it’s an image of a hair. This is the big impact of a high-resolution sensor, and it goes back to our discussion in our Canon segment of how sensors render leaves, in landscapes, and hairs. Whether you can see it in the final image or not, the big sensors capture all the detail of the shape without making generalized strokes. Now, you can argue that at a small print size, say, 11”x14”, you’re not going to see any difference, you may say this is just pixel peeping. Trust me, it’s not. Just as you can see a difference in the richness of a print made from a 120-format negative in the darkroom and a similar print made from an 8” x 10” contact print (and if you’ve never seen this, you owe it to yourself to go see it some day), there’s a similar, almost intangible difference between a print made at 11” x 14” from a DSLR and a MFDB. And likewise, if you’ve never seen the two side-by-side, you have to- either do the comparison yourself, or get the test done for you, but look at the prints. You’re not going to understand it looking at the screen. You won’t see the real feeling of the photograph on the monitor, no matter how much you “peep”. The print is the final measure, and until you see them, (and this may sound harsh, but…) you won’t get it. The difference is visible, and undeniable.
Comments:
, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:03PM, said:
Ted,
Do you have a Nikon file that doesn't have significant motion blur to use as an example? A file from a Nikon D3X would be useful to see in this comparison as well. How significantly was the lighting changed for the image captured by the 5DMkII? It's far more contrasty than either of the other two examples. Bill F
, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:23PM, said:
The lighting, actually, was not changed at all, she just moved closer to me, and got a little in front of the softbox. Sorry, we didn't have the D3x available.
, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:59PM, said:
Hi
What ISO value was used on Nikon? ISO 100? Do you see any difference in dynamic range with not base(program) ISO100 and ISO200? Thank you
, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:06PM, said:
All the cameras were shot with ISO 200. We'll be posting the full review within a day or so, hopefully that may answer more questions about color mapping and DR and such...
, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:44PM, said:
Which lenses were used, aperture?
, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:46PM, said:
Sorry, had to go back into my records to get that info- the Hasselblad was running the standard 80mm, the Nikon had the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED and the Canon was running the Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM. We shot all of them at f/11
, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:00PM, said:
So you shot a low-resolution Nikon body with a zoom against a Hasselblad with a fixed focal length lens, and conclude that the latter is better. Certainly true. But maybe not the best test to do.
, Dec 27, 2009 at 4:53PM, said:
Right. A fairly typical shooting setup for any good commercial studio- the top-end zooms from Nikon and Canon, and the normal Hassey lens.
Maybe not the best science, but certainly the best real-world examples of these cameras. By the way, ever seen the Hassey zoom? I have, and I've shot with it... on size alone, it's not a lens I'd pick for a shoot like this.
, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:26PM, said:
Its hard to see much with such different images (contrasty, all over the frame and lighting and exposure all over) but even so I more than a little surprised.... I expected these newer MF backs to be so much better but I just dont see it.
Thanks for the effort, I would be interested in checking out another test with more identical lighting and pose..... thank you for the side lighting, most tests are done with real flat lighting but one of the things I look at is the transition from light to dark and the detail in the shadow side on an image (one area where full frame 35mm type cameras are better than DX and where I would expect MF to show its muscle)
, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:44PM, said:
Were all the cameras on a tripod?
f11 may not be the best as diffraction starts to degrade the image on FF but not MF. Try the 85mm f1.2 on the canon. The price difference is 10 to 1 but the images are not 10 to 1! This tends to make people with the 'cheap' camera happy. If you don't mind the money required to achieve a better result & your client requires it then you can charge accordingly.
, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:29PM, said:
tripod? The last time I shot a model with a tripod was, wait... NEVER! lol.
, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:36PM, said:
...seriously, though. The goal isn't to give the "best" for any of the products. The goal is to shoot in a real-life environment. f11 is the aperture required by the light source. If it's a better result for one camera than the other, then that would suggest that camera is the one you should chose for that shot, no?
, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:08AM, said:
Hey guys,
I work as a professional retoucher and I have worked on files from all of these cameras. The interesting thing that hits you when looking at medium format digital files is just how crisp and how much detail they resolve. I'm not sure if this is a result of no AA filter or the quality of the lens. Saying that I have wayyyyy more issues with Moire and other weird effects from files from MFDB's. Sometimes the sharpness is destroyed by the need to employ the use of heavy anti noise and moire techniques ( Especially in Fashion ). I'm still amazed at the quality a 5d2 can produce. Myekie
, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:29PM, said:
Simply, i will go with medium format always for this kind of shots, i did a comparison between my 1DsII, 5D, 1DsIII against my H3DII-39, all with fixed lens [H3DII i just use 80mm the kit lens, and with the Canon i use one of the three, 50 1.4, 85 1.8, 100 2.8 macro], simply and clearly my H3D2-39 blew away all my Canon shots for the type of photography i used them [portraits, still life] in sharpness and color and DR and resolution.
I will say that MFDB will be top up higher level than 35mm digital always, some people just can't afford the MFBD so they try by saying they don't see much difference between MF and 35mm digital, i talk only and only when viewing 100% or print at size A2 and larger, comparing about cameras in small print size and web size is bullshit, 8mp 35mm digital camera will never beat 22/39/50 DMF even if they look almost the same at 600x400/800x600 on web or A5/A4 on printing, don't make those smaller sizes of print/web misleading you.
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, May 20, 2010 at 12:10AM, said:
The H3D-31 is 33x44mm, not 36x48mm.
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